Japanese V European

[OSKA]

i was reading the new Mit Evo VIII MR FQ400 and think that this is definately one of the best car in the world... jus look at the power and the price... the jap are really genious. they are the only one who can make such car at this kind of price. dont get me wrong, i am a great admirer of european cars too, they are damn good at making great cars. but if the japs want to make cars that are priced the same as other european manufacturers i am sure they can do it better. they are different compare to european manufacturers in a way that they make practical and equally high performance cars at a lower cost. of cos it is understandable that generally japanese cars will not match european cars in terms of built quality or interior design. but by lowering cost in such areas they gave opportunities to average people with normal income to achieve their dreams and passions. i really admire them.. so continue the great job and come out with more super car!

[McReis]

i was reading the new Mit Evo VIII MR FQ400 and think that this is definately one of the best car in the world... jus look at the power and the price... the jap are really genious.

1st repair: It's far from being what I'd call a supercar.

2nd repair: This is an annoying and constant error made by people wo don't drive a lot of cars: Spec sheet and power can't tell us if we're talking about a good car. There are great cars with 80bhp and awfull cars with 450bhp and that perform 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds.

The evo is in fact a good car because it is has eficience. But for pure pleasure I'd prefer an old BMW.

BTW, welcome!

[taz_rocks_miami]

The Evo III and the Subaru STI are the only japanese cars that I would consider buying as far as performance goes. On the other hand, there are many Europian cars from: BMW, AUDI Ferrari, Lamborguini, Noble, TVR and so on that I would love to have. Even in the luxury sedan market, I would go to Europe.

[Rockefella]

1st repair: He did not say the EVO was a supercar.

actually, read the last sentence, he says, "super car"

[d-quik]

actually, read the last sentence, he says, "super car"

and you first word in that post is "actually"

whats your point?

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

1st repair: It's far from being what I'd call a supercar.

2nd repair: This is an annoying and constant error made by people wo don't drive a lot of cars: Spec sheet and power can't tell us if we're talking about a good car. There are great cars with 80bhp and awfull cars with 450bhp and that perform 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds.

The evo is in fact a good car because it is has eficience. But for pure pleasure I'd prefer an old BMW.

BTW, welcome!

with 450 bhp and it takes 4.5 seconds to get to 60? ur damn right that's awful

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

The Evo III and the Subaru STI are the only japanese cars that I would consider buying as far as performance goes. On the other hand, there are many Europian cars from: BMW, AUDI Ferrari, Lamborguini, Noble, TVR and so on that I would love to have. Even in the luxury sedan market, I would go to Europe.

Evo MR, S2000, Miata, Silvia 15, IS300

all good cars when you're talking about performance&reliability/price

european cars somehow feel more "classy" but dont perform as well (im talking about sedans and "family" cars although not many families can afford an a8 or s-class lol)

and as for the performance oriented cars from europe, TRUE their performance is usually higher in the hardcore end of the spectrum (tvrs, nobles, ferraris) they also come with the high price tag which is less value for money percentage wise

and models like race oriented "family" cars like rs6 and m3s are usually still a bit too ... classy for my tastes with the exception of the rs6

cars like the evo and miata to me are just more specialised and appeal to a wider range of people, they combine the most important things in a car

looks, performance, efficiency, reliability, and adjustability

[PerfAdv]

The two strongest points the Japanese cars have are value and durability. Prices which keep creeping up and the reliability of competitors is steadily getting better. Still the Japanese cars are bought because they are perceived to be less expensive to buy and maintain. This perception, based on fact, assures good resale values as well. Helping further establish their strong sales.

The question if the Japanese could make a better car at any cost than the Europeans is a tough one. I think the Japanese can make a better machine than the Europeans. If the definition of better is more reliable. However, there are many other factors to consider. Such as, how should the controls feel? What is considered good handling? What is considered the right amount of isolation from the road? In determining these and many other subjective values the population base has to have a car culture. Meaning the values they deem important are the ones that actually matter in making the superior car. Example, why is the new RL touted for having a Autobahn tested suspension. Why did the NSX team need Alex Zanardi to help tune the suspension? Why did Toyota buy many new and used Mercedes to study, when they were developing the superlative Lexus. Because the Europeans have had the auto for a hundred years and have a well-developed sense of what is important. The roads that need to be traversed over varied terrain, from treacherous mountain to demanding Autobahn, ensure that the cars are capable. Not that the Japanese cars aren't awesome, and as far as they've come in the last 20-30 years shows that cars are more than just about making a better product=better profit equation for the Japanese. In fact, I think that the Japanese youth already have more of a car culture than the US, where trucks reign supreme. The future is bright, but still they are following. If they can continue to be economically strong and keep at the technology threshold they will one day no doubt be the premier auto manufacturers.

The EVO is just a taste of whats in store. Enthusiasts, rejoice!!!

[Rockefella]

and you first word in that post is "actually"

whats your point?

Lol, I was busting your chops... you said that he never mentioned the Evo VIII as a supercar, but he does mention it as a supercar in the last 2 words of his post. Relax..

[BMW325]

It's far from being what I'd call a supercar.

FAR from being a supercar? ok so each person has his opinion, but while the Evo FQ400 may have eight less cylinders and two more doors than a traditional supercar, the Evo is quicker from point A to point B than most of those cramped, expensive, impractical, penis-compensating exotics.

I say its a supercar.

[jcp123]

ive always had that "japanese = cheap and efficient" stereotype in my head, still tryin to work that one out.

and no offense to anyone here, but euro car drivers at least in the bay area have a large minority that are total dicks. so they unfortunately give the other drivers of these cars and the cars themselves a bad name.

however, if youre talkin classic...then it depends. classic euro is sorta odd-lookin, but bare bones and fun. classic jap is bare bones and just a little bit of work away from being as fun as anything ever built (Datsun 510 comes to mind...). its all about what name you wanna be associated with and how much green you have to put down.

[SPN:DOC]

FAR from being a supercar? ok so each person has his opinion, but while the Evo FQ400 may have eight less cylinders and two more doors than a traditional supercar, the Evo is quicker from point A to point B than most of those cramped, expensive, impractical, penis-compensating exotics.

I say its a supercar.

It take a bit more to be a super car than just speed. Super cars are cars such as Zonda, Ferrari Enzo, Porsche carerra GT. They are unique and exotic it’s a car that many people cannot afford. Evo is not a super car… it’s a Performance car when have you seen a Zonda with 4 doors and a saloon?

[taz_rocks_miami]

It take a bit more to be a super car than just speed. Super cars are cars such as Zonda, Ferrari Enzo, Porsche carerra GT. They are unique and exotic it’s a car that many people cannot afford. Evo is not a super car… it’s a Performance car when have you seen a Zonda with 4 doors and a saloon?

I agree, a supercar has not just the performance but jaw dropping looks as well. I love the Evo but if I see one going down the street I'll say to myself "Very nice car." If I see an Enzo, Pagani, Murcielago ect, I'll say to myself "OH...MY....GOD!!!!! And start drooling. Big difference.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

lol penis compensator ... best quote from clarkson

... if you're in the lavatory and there's a man standing suspiciously close to the porceline ... he's got one of those super cars ...

AHH AHHAHAHA