Bugatti Veyron vs SSC Standard Aero

[nikola scg]

bugatti veyron

[Cyco]

Ok, the noble. it is a kit car that takes an engine[civic] and adds a big turbo and an lightweight aerodynamic body

Ignoring that the Noble comes factory built, not as a kit, the enginge is based off a Ford block (not Honda) and has its own chassis designed and built for it. This is not just a Civic with a big turbo and a body kit.

[S7 TT]

Do you mind telling me where I can find a Noble dealership, and are you talking about the M14, M12 gto-3r, M10, or M400? Btw, noble M400 goes 175mph, and yes i'm sorry, I was thinking of the Elise when I said it ran with acivic engine.

[clutch-monkey]

Do you mind telling me where I can find a Noble dealership, and are you talking about the M14, M12 gto-3r, M10, or M400? Btw, noble M400 goes 175mph, and yes i'm sorry, I was thinking of the Elise when I said it ran with acivic engine.

the elise runs on a rover k-series or a toyota celica engine...
a noble dealership is easy if you live in england, otherwise i'm not even sure they're legal in the US yet..

[Coventrysucks]

Do you mind telling me where I can find a Noble dealership,

1G Racing
2647 Morgan Lane
Hamilton
Ohio 45013
USA
866-612-6625

Hexam Horseless Carriage Co.
Haugh Lane
Hexam
Northumberland
NE46 3EW
UK
01434 601666

Christopher Neil Noble
Manchester Road
Northwich
Cheshire
CW9 7NA
UK
01606 41481

Peter Smith Sports Cars
Station Road
Hatton
Derby
DE65 5EL
UK
01283 813593

Newton Motors Noble
12 Somerset Road
Cwbran
Gwent
NP44 1QX
UK
01633 485251

Kerriges Noble
The Hall Garage
Needham Market
Ipswich
Suffolk
IP6 8EG
UK
01449 720222

Noble North London
Barnet Road
Arkley
Barnet
Hertfordshire
EN5 3LJ
UK
07831 126532

Mole Valley Noble
360-366 Leatherhead Road
Chessington
Surrey
KT9 2NN
UK
02083 941114

Van der Kool Sportscars
Kwinkweerd 10d
7241 CW
Lochem
NL
00 31 (0)573 225 933

Van der Kool Sportscars
Amsteldijk 52
1074 HX
Amsterdam
NL
00 31 (0)206 735 858

UK Garage
Via G Della Portal
Milan
IT
00 39 0266118156

Sportmobil
4A AK Vargi Street
Moscow
RU
RV117133
007 (0)95 338 3222

Lazarus Motor Company
400 West Street
Centurion 0046
Pretoria
South Africa
012 6780000

Motor Group Australia
PO BOX 407
Surry Hills
NSW 2010
Australia
00 61 (0)2 9331 9300

Noble of Sydney
3 Kings Cross Road
Rushcutters Bay
NSW 2011
Australia
00 61 (0)2 9326 9199

Zagame
47 Church Street
Richmond Vic 3121
Australia
00 61 (0)3 8420 8888

Noble NZ Ltd
Lotus Cars Nz Ltd
167 Kitchener Road
Wiauku
New Zealand
00 64 (0)9 274 3025

[S7 TT]

AIght so 1 dealership in North America? And i'm going to look into to Elise engine, because I heard it was a civic engine.

[S7 TT]

Yeah, Toyota suplied V-4 1.8L....... Now i've got to find what uses the Civic engine......

[Coventrysucks]

1. Honda Civics.

2. One dealership doesn't mean anything. There aren't any Saleen or SSC dealerships in the UK. What does that mean?

3. Please use the edit button.

[h00t_h00t]

Alot of the new-design kit cars use Civic engines as Sierra parts are becoming harder to get, apparently.

[P4g4nite]

The Ariel Atom Goddam you!

The overblown go-cart uses a civic block (or Integra? is it 1.6 or 1.8L), (They've cranked it out to 245bhp too)


Reading that thread was like watching a movie where the guy is about to walk outside to see what made that noise and your just yelling at the screen like "YOU IDIOT!!!, DON'T DO IT!"

I didn't actually go to the SSC website, was their car the thing that looks exactly like a Diablo/Murci on the other page?

[my porsche]

yes that was it


and coventry or whoever said nobles might not be legal in the us.

you buy it as an engine/transaxle less car and then buy the two parts from their reccomended place, and voila you have a noble

[h00t_h00t]

I thought the powers that be in the land of the free were going to put a stop to all that?

[deanee]

The Hennessey Viper cannot be considered a "supercar" if the Ultima cannot.

The Ultima is purposefully designed to provide the supercar experience on a budget from day one. It is testament to the excellent design and engineering standards that the original concept was built to that the mere change of engine and transmission can turn a very good car into one that will out perform everything built by the world's "leading" supercar manufacturers.

Not only can it outperform anything that these manufacturers produce, but it does not require an army of highly qualified engineers to build - you can do it yourself. A feat which I find all the more impressive.

The Viper is a mere modification of a car designed to be a reasonably quick roadster that gives impressive numbers for magazine publications.

As the Viper was never designed to be an "overall supercar" it follows that any vehicle achieved by only fettling the engine a bit cannot be an "overall supercar" either.




An utterly futile argument.

Outside of Ehra, by fairly respectable accounts, only TWO of the 64 road going McLaren F1s have been driven at their top speeds.

I find the notion that any SSC or Veyron owners will find the neccessary time, or put in the neccessary effort, to get their vehicle to a location suitable enough to attempt a top speed run laughable.

Lets face it - unless you can shut down tha autobahn to traffic, are a test driver for VAG, or wish to modify your car for the Bonneville Salt Flats - there isn't really anywhere you can get close to their top speeds.

Even at a private facility such as Nardo you won't get close, due to the banking.

The only reason the Ultima hasn't been driven more than 200mph is because there isn't a desserted runway long enough in the UK!



The Veyron and SSC also cost many times more than the other cars, and as such they are expected to have such features.

I bet that if one were willing, it would be simple enough to fit such "exclusive" technologies to an Ultima. I'm fairly sure that a production version of the ZZII would be fitted with such things anyway, or at least they would be on the options list.

What you are paying for with "supercars" is not pathitic gimmicks like a stereo, but the time, effort and attention to detail that has been put in by the designers and engineers.

Virtually every component on the McLaren F1 was tailor made for the car - that is why it cost £600,000+ NOT because it could do 220mph+, or because it had leather seats.



I fail to see that the difference between an estimated 230 mph from Ultima and an estimated 249mph from SSC equates to "a different story".

Is it more or less difficult to build a car that can do 200mph+, sub 3s 60 times, 10s 1/4 mile, and that can be built at home by the owner?

The Ultima clearly outperforms nearly all other supercars in all aspects - including one that the others cannot - price!

I want that car!!!

[JakRcr]

And cars don't have to go over 200 mph to be a supercar, look at the 360's and z06's.....

those aren't supercars...

[Rockefella]

those aren't supercars...

Says who.