I really wish you would.Originally Posted by fpv_gtho
I really wish you would.Originally Posted by fpv_gtho
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If only there was one.
and he is out of here
people like u dont need to be on this go to supid land where your mind is ass - toyota4ever
ricers suck...pasta rockets for life - sicilian973-2
Mate, I was attacking you because of your aggressive attitude telling people to "go find their international airport".Originally Posted by STREETFIRE
Its fine if you don't like Toyotas - but don't be so aggressive in your attacks. If I attacked Holdens the same way I would upset you in very short order.
And yes, I do like Camrys/Aurions - they're good cars for what they're designed to do. And I think they look OK. No eye test needed. Learn to respect the fact that other people don't agree without resort to insults about needing eye tests (or telling people to find their international airport).
As for street racers - I'm fairly tolerent, but I'll never welcome them. Go find a racetrack and don't put other peoples lives in danger. Same goes for those who say its ok to drink and drive. But that's for another thread....
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i call complete bullshit on that.Originally Posted by STREETFIRE
Andreas Preuninger, Manager of Porsche High Performance Cars: "Grandmas can use paddles. They aren't challenging."
$10 says this guy has never driven any of these cars.Originally Posted by STREETFIRE
I'm dropping out to create a company that starts with motorcycles, then cars, and forty years later signs a legendary Brazilian driver who has a public and expensive feud with his French teammate.
This thread is becoming really strange...
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if he gets back from his ban, i'd like to see an egg-nog proof that he is 21 (somehow..i don't care lol) and whatever cars has.
i doubt he can prove either.
Andreas Preuninger, Manager of Porsche High Performance Cars: "Grandmas can use paddles. They aren't challenging."
IT IS AMAZING...How the brand of car sets people off, divides them into "camps" and then desends into personal commentary having Nothing to do with the cars at all.
BUT ....that is precisely what has happened to the general population too who buy these cars, they have become divided and defensive, but it is always the SAME agrument from the Toyo side..."pepole buy them because they are better quality cars"....(not true, the incidence of defects is the same, as whenever any company builds massive amounts of cars like Toyo & GM do a certian percentage if problems in manufacture will occur, Toyo is NO BETTER than GM in this regard at all the facts prove this to be true.)...
"Toyo dealers back up the cars with service and care about their customers first"...That is a very deliberate misconception that was planned by Toyo marketing in the US market, because Japan's cultural relationship between the Government and Corporations is "socialist" in nature,...Mitsu Bank, Sony, Toyota, and the Government ARE in fact Partners in exporting Japans products to the world, and as such the companies have a financial advantage in costs that allows them to (by increasing the value of the Country currency at will ).. to facilitate massive currency exchange rates and then spend the OTHER countries currency in it home market to BUY OFF, or INDUCE the (in the case of auto dealers) best and most succsessful salesmen to sell thier products at twice the profit of the domestic brands. THAT BTW is called GREED....but it was Very effective in pulling away the largest producers of car sales in the USA from selling exclusively GM Ford or Chrysler products. And when a salesmen can sell you 2 different cars at the same price point, and earn double or triple the commision on one, well...which one is he gonna push you into, huh ?
Quality of the cars is NOT a viable point of contention anymore, as GM offers 100,000 mile warranties on ALL cars now....But remember, they still have a bunch of second class dealerships...because Toyo only went after the most succsessful dealers...and bought them off.
This is for certian an IMAGE problem that needs effort and is starting to turn around by offering "incentives" and with major media efforts to attract attention to domestic cars and bring back the "enthusiast" attitude towards the brand name ( why is Chevy bringing back the Camaro?, better question is...why did they PRETEND they were only considering production...!!!???)..
WHY ?....to create that CONFLICT that we see so aptly displayed here, to RILE up the RIVEL ...to start the Identification with a brand name (Chevy) with a rich and impressive history that Toyo is totally lacking in, unless you consider the "TOYOPET" the REAL name of the first toy cars in the USA,to be a hallmark of automotive history !!!.
Because my friends....WE ARE THE PROBLEM...not GM or Toyo....they both build competent and reliable cars...with very different intents and support structures behind them, and to opposing sets of conditions under which they must succeed or fail. So Please dont go attacking ANYONE for thier opinions or comments, no matter what they ARE entitled to say it here....and dispelling the personal expression is exactly what IMO Toyota has done to the automotive industry on whole...
...their single most apparent contribution has been to reduce the automobile into a CAR.
A simple functional appliance for anybody who needs a transportation vehicle....JUST THE SAME EXACT PREMISE THAT HENRY FORD FOLLOWED 100 YEARS AGO....AND LOST TO GM. HISTORY DOES REPEAT ITSELF TO THOSE THAT THINK THEY ARE ABOVE IT OR SMARTER THAN THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE THEM.
...& that they may be, but they TOYO are not smart enough anymore becuse GM has alredy won the War, and is just starting little battles all over the place now to distract and divide TOYO's focus...they Never know which direction GM is gonna come at them from next anymore.
Even worse, they dont think it matters at all...LMAO.
THAT is why I am DOWN on TOYOTA.
Plus they just build UGLY FRIGGIN DESIGNS !!!...like Bad Music all day long.
UGH.
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This is how ALL countries work, so long as they are smart enough.Originally Posted by Mr DM
International currency markets have far more power than individual companies or central banks. George Sorus has proven that several times.Originally Posted by Mr DM
This is bad, but the GREED that is GM making more profit/car than Toyota is good?Originally Posted by Mr DM
Btw Toyo makes tyres, Toyota makes cars - and I think you are you may be confused about this
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Right, would you say that the 2000GT is ugly? Didn't think so.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
Toyota does have a pretty long history. Do some research before jumping to conclusions, and if GM won the war, why is it in such huge debt?
You also contradict yourself when you say we shouldn't argue over who is better, but yet you yourself say that GM is the better company and Ford sucks.
I'm dropping out to create a company that starts with motorcycles, then cars, and forty years later signs a legendary Brazilian driver who has a public and expensive feud with his French teammate.
If i'm Katsuaki Watanabe, and i read this, i'd play a joke on GM by buying them up, and selling them to Ford at $10,000USD. Toyota's still got plenty to spend.
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that Mr.Detroitmental has an axe to gring with Toyota.Why?I dont know...but Im willing to bet it has a lot to do with his age and lack of real world views.You cant read what is printed in the newspapers and automotive magazines and take it as law.Everyone knows that the ONLY publication that is not COMPLETELY biased in favor of the car manufacturers all over the world is Consumer Reports.Car And Driver,Motortrend,Road And Track ALL recieve compensation in the form of advertising revenue,press cars,parties,vacations etc.In order to "review" i.e. give a good review about their product.Also when General Motors and Ford come out ON THEIR OWN and release information that they are obligated to reveal such as Revenue reports, Import export ,costs ,and numbers of LAYOFFS and PLANT CLOSINGS
that is swept under the rug by people like him?He is right in one point though,the fault in all this ISNT the workers it is the management and the Unions of old days.And the link you posted about the Toyota engine sludge problem...lol.How many of them said they didnt have documentaion as to when/where there car was serviced...lol.Typical dumbasses.If you have your vehicle serviced AS RECOMMENDED IN THE OWNERS MANUAL in the intervals stated you cannot void your warranty.And having documentation is the only way to prove it.AS far as Toyotas and the other foreign brands changing a car into "transportation..well?That is Exactly what it is.Labeling it a no soul car?You are right its not supposed to be(speaking of a Camry/Accord)But that means that a Chevy Impala stirs your soul?Come on!!They all are bland people movers that is what they are for.If you want awe inspiring design,heart stopping performance and the like...pony up to Z06 or a G.T. 500 something along those lines.But lets NOT forget cars like the Toyota Supra,Acura NSX,Honda S2000,Nissan Z cars all of them,Skylines,Evos,WRX Sti,etc. etc.The gas crunch during the seventies is what did the Domestic brands in and yes SLOWLY they are coming back.But if you honestly believe that build quality...FROM SITTING IN IT,DRIVING IT,PAYING FOR IT is the same between a Camry/Accord and a Impala you are on good drugs.Ford is killing G.M. as far as interior material quality and workmanship but cant give their cars away like G.M. is doing because of their already poor financial situation.Anyway...Im saying if you like G.M. sooo much thats cool.Id rather be driving a car that feels more solid,has more amenities,is safer,better re-sale value,and in my opinion looks better...even if I have to pay more for it.I dont even want to start on what the Rental market is doing to G.M. And Ford re-sale values....
This applies far more to yourself than anyone else.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
What the hell are you smoking? Toyota builds far superior cars in terms of overall quality and that's why GM and Ford have suffered these past three decades. You are ridiculous to say the reliability of American cars and Japanese cars is the same, as much as I'd like to say it. Show me a source that says 'the incidence of defects is the same, as whenever any company builds massive amounts of cars like Toyo & GM do a certian percentage if problems in manufacture will occur, Toyo is NO BETTER than GM in this regard at all the facts prove this to be true.' Your argument is not based on facts, it's based on some sort of weird GM ALL AMERIKAN fanboyism.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
Salesmans sell products. Neither Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford, or Chrysler are innocent in that they push their products to sell.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
You are quite funny. So you don't want a reliable car? You want a POS that'll break down every other day and need servicing and then you have a worthless, unreliable piece of shit once you're done with your warranty. I'm sure you just long to drive to work and only have your car die on you halfway there. Now you're just being ludicrous.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
But cearly GM is manipulating the media to market their cars just as Toyota is manipulating the economy!Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
Toyota doesn't have a history? Where have you been since the 1930s?Originally Posted by MRDETROIT
As well, I don't really give a damn what kind of history the car company has got when I buy a new car. I want an affordable, fun, attractive and reliable car, not a POS with 'history.'
THEN STOP BLAMING THE PROBLEMS ON TOYOTA!Originally Posted by MRDETEROITMETAL
What if their opinions are stupid and contrived?Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
And you'll notice that those who think they are above it are GM, wot with building endless lineups of SUVs and products that compete with themselves.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
Are you kidding? GM can't even remotely get its act together right now. Or maybe you just haven't seen the hundreds of thousands of jobs they've laid off over the past years.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
Ugh is damn right.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
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Quality of GM & toyopet cars ARE on par with each other according to actual consumer ratings. Even Toyo has to admit that. What you comments show is that you have not seen the latest figures, Chevy, caddilac & Buick are all on the same rating as toyo cars. That is Fact.
I NEVER said FORD sucks...as a matter of fact I think the new cars and designs from FORD are famtastic and I am glad to see them taking back thier direction in a postitive manner like this. They just have always been #2 behind GM, until Toyota took up that position a few years back.
The LOGIC of the "old FORD"....is the SAME logic that TOYOTA is NOW employing and it is doomed to fail against GM. You guts seem to think that all the "bloodletting" by GM is bad....it was the BEST thing in the word for the corporation, so dont be misled by the "press" and read into the financial statements and underlying government policies of BOTH GM & TOYOTA...and you will see that despite claims to the contrary GM is QUITE healthy right now, having "dumped the dead weight"...and is SELLING & PRODUCING new and desireable cars equal to the hightest level amounts the company has EVER produced !
RECORD LEVELS of sales & manufacture...over 9 million last year and the year before. THAT they also control well over 20% of WORLD MARKETSHARE is also a undeniable FACT. Dont underestimate GM is all I am saying AND that Toyota is highy overated in the recent market standings.
The real difference is in INTENT between the 2 companies.
Toyota intends to build appliances.
GM intends to build Automobiles.
I much prefer driving an automobile than a "toster", even if it has a CF hood, body kit and fancy rims !!!
As for "classic" status, there are NO classic cars from Japan at all. the 2000 gt mentioned is Bland as crap, the Mazda Miata was decent and a good design (one of my best friends was the desigener of it )...but Mazda is partly FORD anyway....toyo is a true Japanese company and will never be an American Company no matter how many plants and sales they have in the USA (despite Dale Jarret's claims to the oppisite...you know he took thier 20 million and bought a FORD GT with the first check !!!) At barret -jackson this week ALL the top selling cars are GM FORD & CHRYSLER products, not even ferrari, can make a dent in the demand for these cars today. and Toyotas are Banned from entry as they have NO Status or desireablity.
...or the "classic" toyotas have all meet the Junkyard Crusher already.
As for the Impala vs the Camry....I think that americans have answered that one and the IMPALA is the winner there....and the new Malibu is gonna make it even tougher for the Camry this year, plus the new IMPALA debuts this year too....bad bad news for Camry.
If they intend to make automobiles they better kick it up a notch. Because i have seen nothing different happen. Toyota could make appliances and cars and still out sell GM.Originally Posted by MRDETROITMETAL
The fact of the matter is, you will never come to senses with the car market. Toyota is a threat to GM and your scared by it. You know it is. Its not the 70's anymore man.
Oh and just for the record i believe base models for the camry and impala are quite different in price. The camry is about 3000 less than the impala. With the same features.
EDIT:
2007 Impala LS: 21,630
2007 Toyota Camry CE: 18,470
Oh the camry gets better MPG too, about 3 more.
So all the bulls@$% aside, you know nothing about cars. As your post above clearly states.
Last edited by SupraMan22; 01-19-2007 at 09:12 PM.
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