Volkswagen Group versus Ford Group

[Fleet 500]

I cited Toyota because they are known to have a good reliability record yet they have had many recalls.
As has been said on this board before, recalls don't necessarily make for an unreliable car.

[Ingolstadt]

NHTSA Recall History
1999 Jetta: If the vehicle is driven with a rear flat tire, the fuel-tank filler neck can wear, causing a fuel leak and possible fire.

?????WTF?!?!?!

Specialist: "Your car caught fire because you had a flat tyre."
Customer: "$%@$&*%$#@ !! "

[Ferrer]

I much rather buy a Mercury Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car (or Ford Focus, Five Hundred or Fusion or Mercury Montego or Milan) than a one of the above trouble-prone European cars, even with its "superior" build quality.

If you have to buy a Focus at least get the Mk II, the proper Focus, not your Mk I with an ugly facelift.

The VW group easily wins this competition.

Has anyone seen the new Focus? It's uglier than anything Chris Bangle could come up with. It's so ugly that it might scare old people, young children, and the FCC.

Are you referring to the Mk II? I don't think it's ugly, boring yes, but not ugly.

[Ingolstadt]

I preferred the MK2 Focus' looks compared to MK1. Alas, that ugly interior...

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I cited Toyota because they are known to have a good reliability record yet they have had many recalls.
As has been said on this board before, recalls don't necessarily make for an unreliable car.

You did read that right, right?

you say Toyota's have had many recalls. then say it's not a big deal?

some days you don't make sense. but fundamentally i agree with the latter of your comments.

[digitalcraft]

Care to explain what you found out?

Because I think I'm the noob.

Well.... Premier Auto Group = P.A.G

Ford Auto Group = .....

[ruim20]

Not so. The Lincoln Town Car and Mercury Grand Marquis are among the most reliable and longest-lasting Ford products being built.
True, the above are not sports or high-performance cars, but they are generally well-built and have plenty of engineering features.

Sure... let's simply look at the interior of one of thoose and then go to a VW or Audi and let's try and pick up the diferences...

[Fleet 500]

You did read that right, right?

you say Toyota's have had many recalls. then say it's not a big deal?

some days you don't make sense. but fundamentally i agree with the latter of your comments.

I mentioned Toyota's recalls because some were hinting about Ford's recalls.

[Fleet 500]

Sure... let's simply look at the interior of one of thoose and then go to a VW or Audi and let's try and pick up the diferences...

The Crown Vic interiors look fine to me. Nice and roomy, too.

[jediali]

The Crown Vic interiors look fine to me. Nice and roomy, too.

erm..i think he was refering to plastic and instalation quality. Better > good enough.

[Matra et Alpine]

?????WTF?!?!?!

Specialist: "Your car caught fire because you had a flat tyre."
Customer: "$%@$&*%$#@ !! "

SPecialist: "Well you're the dumb ass who drove with a flat ! RTFM, you change flats when they happen !!!"

Back at the stupid litiginous successes by US lawyers

[Matra et Alpine]

You did read that right, right?

you say Toyota's have had many recalls. then say it's not a big deal?

It makes sense when you look at what a recall is and when it's triggered.
Toyota's milllion car recall for steering arm was based on thier analysis .. NO accident had ever been recorded.
Compare that to Fords cruise control fires and vehemently denying liability or fault and THEN doing a recall.
Also recalls for switches aren't as bad as for tyre-causing rollovers !!

From an industry analyst a very important alternative measure and justification ....

Barkai contends the most effective way to measure a manufacturer's performance isn't the frequency of recalls or the number of vehicles affected. Rather, Barkai studies the amount manufacturers pay in warranty costs relative to their revenues. By comparison, Toyota outshines its major American competitors, spending a mere estimated 1.5%, vs. the domestic average of 2.5%. At the extreme end of the scale, General Motors spends 3%.

[my porsche]

Also recalls for switches aren't as bad as for tyre-causing rollovers !!

Tire-causing rollovers MUST be stopped!!

[Fleet 500]

erm..i think he was refering to plastic and instalation quality. Better > good enough.

VWs and Audis have plastic in the interior, too. As for installation quality, it's fine not only on the Crown Vics, but on a Chevy Cobalt I rented for two days. I deliberately made a close inspection of the interior and was surpised to see how well everything fit.
The "mediocre" interiors of American cars are usually much underrated.

[Ferrer]

The Crown Vic interiors look fine to me. Nice and roomy, too.

I have to admit, that's some amazing rear leg room. That has to be at least as good as a Superb.

VWs and Audis have plastic in the interior, too. As for installation quality, it's fine not only on the Crown Vics, but on a Chevy Cobalt I rented for two days. I deliberately made a close inspection of the interior and was surpised to see how well everything fit.
The "mediocre" interiors of American cars are usually much underrated.

If anything, Audi's strong point is interior quality, so I doubt that a Chevrolet or a Ford is better than an Audi in this aspect.