Rosberg and Heidfeld, yes?
Edit: What he said.
Rosberg and Heidfeld, yes?
Edit: What he said.
How many of you believe Brawn's claims they did very little development on the car post-Turkey, except for a few weeks of work in the wind tunnel etc?
I personally dont think they stopped that early. The early flyaway rounds they were getting caught pretty quickly by Red Bull and Toyota whilst Brawn didnt add many parts to their car. After that when Red Bull were clearly fast enough to fight for the titles, they didnt exactly drop back though. The only blip was the upgrades they made to the rear end which were supposed to give more suspension travel, but made the car more temperature sensitive.
If they really gave up all development thinking they were that far ahead, i think they wouldve been dropped by Red Bull at a similar rate they were getting caught for the first few races.
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Sure it is so from an economical point of view, but relationships with McLaren were deteriorating themselves since a couple of years so:
what they said.
And I'm with FPV regarding the supposed lack of development on Brawn's cars. Perhaps the updates were subtler, but still present.
Even if they focused from mid year on on the 2010 car, they had much less money to invest than in 2008. Now that they won the WCC (worth 80 M $ in prize) they surely have the required money, not even considering what MB may bring in, but it's definitely too late to start a car, which is why we are all doubting about the new teams.
Chances they will be strong but not over the top next year are pretty solid, albeit chances that they would have won both titles in 2008 were zero.
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Räikkönen's manager has stated that their negotiations with McLaren have ended without success. Earlier it's been told that McLaren is the only team they were negotiating with, so it is very likely that Kimi won't drive an F1 next year.
Edit: I suppose that also means that rumours of Button's move to McLaren weren't just meant to get Räikkönen's price down.
Last edited by twinspark; 11-17-2009 at 02:33 PM.
Very pity. I was still hoping to see him racing again, having in mind he seems to be motivated again...
Consider the fact that Brawn car still gets upgrade parts bit by bit mid-season they probably didn't shift all the work to 2010. Ferrari however, got next to nothing upgraded later on that you can be pretty sure that they were working exclusively on 2010. Will be interesting to see if that pays off....
IMO the lack of serious interest in signing Button shows a lot of what the Brawn/MB management really think of their WDC, despite the sweet words in the press....Apparently he was asking for 8 mil pound sterling, and Fry weren't prepare to give more than 4....
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I suppose he can't be so good as a developer, otherwise I'd wonder why it take so long to have even a decent car. OK; the design team maybe sucked until 2008, or they way of working, but every year since 2006 those cars never improved trough the season.
After all Barrichello had a little more misfortune during the year but was still there to fight for the title. Now we all now Barrichello is an excellent driver but possibly lacks what it takes to win multiple WDCs. Button did beat him, no doubt, but not by a very large margin.
probably this, among other to us unknown considerations, is what prevented Brawn from signing on a snap him a while ago.
And this is without considering the fact his season was divided into to different part, or the fact that while being desperate for money to wash his laundry, he still got the spare pennies to buy a Veyron. Not my business, that's for sure.
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I dont know if you could criticise Button for his development skills, but Barrichello's arrival at Honda exposed alot about the team and some of the issues that Button and Davidson had been simply driving around.
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Button has signed, and Donington is going into liquidation today. Another Ecclestone crime, that is most likely going to be left unpunished.
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yep. done and dusted.
Nice. Rosberg and Raikkonen at mercedes next year then it seemsOriginally Posted by ITV-F1
Kimi opted for rally....f Kimi would actually take the 15 million contract it would mean in reality that he would pay two million to drive and do the lovely pr-crap all year long that he absolutely hates.
The other option...take 17 million, do whatever you want, rally etc. seems quite a good deal.
really? how did i miss that haha
well in that case then Rosberg and Heidfeld at Mercedes. Ironically that would make 2 mercedes teams. Both with complete german and british driver lineups.
Hamilton - Button
Massa - Alonso
Webber - Vettel
Rosberg - Heidfeld
Is it just me or that possibly the most perfect top 4 team driver lineup in recent memory? Atleast since the Schumi-Hakkinen days.
Last edited by Cotterik; 11-18-2009 at 07:19 AM.
It seems official that Raikkonen won't race in F1 next year, his manager Steve Robertson confirmed it saying the only interesting option was McLaren, and that they preferred to not risk with the new minor teams (as if they were willing/able to pay that much).
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he seems a bit bored recently with the prospect of racing in F1. Obviously even when he's winning we see minimal emotion but he's walked through the past 3 or 4 years with ease, never dropping below par but then again hes not been competetive for some time. Partly due to ferrari's drop in form. I can imagine taking a year out could work badly for him though. Talent is constantly moving in and out of F1. And new champions are coming about each year as we speak. There's barely enough teams to fit all the talent in as it is. Somehow i dont think he can afford to be picky if he wants to re-enter the sport in 2011. With the lineup i listed above, i doubt any of the top teams will be willing to sacrifice one of their drivers for kimi's services. Because essentially those drivers are all, atleast on the face of it, more intent on pushing the boundaries they are faced with. If kimi can prove competetive in rallying, then he would be much more suited to it IMO. He shares many qualities with top rally drivers. I.E calm and collected, consistent under pressure and enduring. But F1 is all about aggression these days. And kimi has been too comfortable in his runner-up position. Perhaps he feels he has little else to prove. But we all know that the circumstances upon which he won the world championship left us all waiting to see him prove he can win it as a dominant force.
Last edited by Cotterik; 11-18-2009 at 07:54 AM.
Even i I agree with almost the rest you wrote (except the fact I'm not that sure he will be fine rallying), I have always been fine about his 2007 title.
Yes, Hamilton suffered from a car failure and was therefore out of the games, but Raikkonen was still there ready to grab the title. If Hamilton's problem would have happened during the say third race, much less people would be "complaining". Not to be forget the whole spygate thing.
Having a tough car is essential to win, but having the full design of a winning car to look at with your own and different point of view is priceless (until they catch you that is). Even if Hamilton and Alonso were great drivers during the 2007 season, I can't avoid thinking what the car was capable of wasn't as genuine as their abilities. Hence, I don't see a single problem with Raikkonen's title.
I'm less "happy" about how Hamilton won last year to be honest but at the end of the day I don't bother it, I'm not such a good Massa fan, and it was a fair year so props to him even if he won because Glock was swimming in his cockpit.
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